| Wednesday, July 24th, 2002 |
| 7:38 pm |
RMS: please make an effort to call it gnu/linux. |
| 7:37 pm |
con't
Bradley Kuhn: why did you not accept gpl or lgpl for mono? .. because of patents. M: people weren't satisfied with it. That's it. .... downside not using it. |
| 7:33 pm |
con't
Eric: that's fair (OS dont' think prop is immoral, FSF does that is the difference). I think that's what he said. I'm starting to Gap out. Nap time. M: if you can get paid to make software (which is something you love doing) that's proprietary you're OK. RMS: no you can do something else.... you're just being lazy and gnoring ethics. |
| 7:29 pm |
con't
RMS: Microsoft is just one company of many who've trampled on people's freeddom... Audience: open source people don't think proprietary is bad, but just prefer open source... M: No, people have all kinds of reasons... Audience: the crux of the difference is proprietary..? M: people who have contirubuted have different opinions. RMS: some thing prop is wrong some dont' (open source people). some are closer to FSF some are closer to proprietary. A: M is proprietary wrong? M: yes it is wrong, and my company developes prop software. I wouldn't want ot use the propietary software my compnay produces. A; any proprietay software? M: no, but others do... that is fine with me. A; will you say prop is immoral? M: dunno, what perspective? ..wrong to make a living?... duuno, wrong to helpo your neighbors? Eric: wrong not immoral. RMS: releasing a prop. to dictate sharing with neighbors is wrong. |
| 7:08 pm |
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| 7:07 pm |
con't
M: to ESR: yours (pop client fetchmail) sucks. Really." |
| 6:59 pm |
con't
Audience: if I'm using free software and I choose to use the prop. ver of something why is that not free? RMS: you're not free. having choice is not freedom... (he's talkling about being able to sell themselves into slavery as an example of having an aadditional option is not freedom.) You're doing wrong ofr your neighbors by agreeing to caontracts that say you can't help them (non free software). |
| 6:47 pm |
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| 6:42 pm |
con't
RMS: I'm not about making better software.... when you don't have the freedom.... people can't work together.... material consequences ...to exploitation.. freedom initsself is important for people... doesn't ahve to justified by practical benefits... A new version won't solve the closed hardware problem... |
| 6:38 pm |
con't
I want to ask RMS about his antics about lunch time. |
| 6:38 pm |
con't
M: reporters don't care about gnu/linux. they think it's a distribution. (hmm?) I want you to use it I want one msg. When I have a lot of time I'll get into the other stuff, but when just a little time no. |
| 6:34 pm |
con't
M: I was using Linux because it was free. Q: why isn't mono GNU? RMS: standards to make it uniform, PR, want credit of development of the system. recommend calling linux gnu/linux.... just want equal mention... if you want to be part of GNU project you are asked to call linux gnu/linux, and talk about gnu not open source; M: I will not call linux gnu/linux. Arguement M: I use X11 will it be X11/gnu/linux? RMS: you're talking humpty dumpty postion... we made the biggest contribution... if you'd like to call it x11/linux/gnu you should to give them credit. |
| 6:29 pm |
con'
M: to achieve the goal (of getting open source apps into places) you have to talk about what presses someone's buttons..robustness, rapid development, national sovereignty. RMS: I have a different goal. ... I'm focusing on on teaching people who use the system about the values of freedom. Audience: What are your differences? (open vs free) RMS: the FSM... live in freedom... we have a definition of what a software is to be free.... (at fsf.org) ..needs interpretation of the licenses... the open source movement.... i am not a supporter... they have criteria.... derived from FSF criteria... result is when the same license are looked at by both some as open, but not free.... Eric: Explain why apple license isn't free... RMS: required to send changes to apple... if you're using changes privately you shouldnt' have to do that. Artistic License too vague??? Don't think there are any licenses (OSI) that aren't free. (Huh?) Russell Nelson (from OSI) pipes up to ask how can RMS can think that a bunch of anarchists can not value freedom? (tongue in cheek a bit I think) |
| 6:20 pm |
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| 6:18 pm |
con't
RMS: It's not good enough if Java is just opensource. M: I think its fine if it's open source. Its a waste of time to have a free version and open source. Miguel: play punch at RMS. M: to richard: what's the practical difference to the code?? |
| 6:15 pm |
con't
M: Sun is very co-operative if you sit & talk to them. Companies do not act like individuals.... you can actively approach people... to get the message out... Java is the major prize. Take a nice approach. RMS: something about Java group at Sun acting differently than the openoffice people. |
| 6:10 pm |
con't..
Is .Net a bait & switch? will they embrace & extend us? RMS: they don't need us... we don't ahve that much clout. If we did maybe that would be a stratgy, but I don't think we have that power." M: We see it bringing interesting power to the system. ..improvement to the platform....multi language support.. in the end we win. if they deviate it's not the end of the world. RMS: jave is a real problem case... not free software... because the language is sexy..developers paid no attention to the non-free software they use to run it... every layer must be free.. |
| 6:05 pm |
on gnome & mono
Stallman to begin... 'Being political..championing freedom in a strong way... particiating in GNU means living by some rules.. Miguel thought he wanted mono to be in GNU, but changed his mind. |
| 6:02 pm |
con't
they just talked a bit obout rob glasser & realnetworks. |
| 6:01 pm |
Stallman is posturing.
Stallman is posturing with the audience trying to lure someone into fighting with him. Not really, but he's wanting a fight to get a chance to get into his speel. Ok, here comes Eric.... |
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